Once again Sox ownership not paying attention re Francona.

red sox ownership is a JOKE. bunch of corporate boobs.

All they seem to care is inventing new schemes to get more $$$ for Lucchino and this ownership group.  I agree with you, Cccn98, They are a JOKE!

The only thing this ownership group has going for it these days is their willingness to spend big bucks.  That’s about it. 

Larry, Moe and Curly (our THREE STOOGE OWNERSHIP) are so *shameful* it’s embarrassing … I know they want fame and fortune (lotsa $$$$$$$$$$$$$) … but if this team goes completely down the drain because of them, they have some E*X*P*L*A*I*N*I*N*G to do … (I don’t care HOW RICH they are!).  Sox have been our/my life since I was old enough to understand … and I can NEVER remember feeling such contempt for OWNERSHIP.

Never been less interested in the Sox than this year.  Francona was a class act every day he was here.   Not sure if I’m the typical fan, but if I am, the team is going to take a huge financial hit for the disgraceful way they handled themselves last winter.  These clowns did serious damage to years of tradition.  I’m watching the Celts and Bruins.  I catch the Sox score on the ticker at the bottom of the screen. 

I TOTALLY AGREE.  TERRY DESERVED TO BE TREATED WITH THE UTMOST RESPECT, INSTEAD OF BEING DUMPED ON BY THE RED SOX OWNERSHIP & MANAGEMENT. IF NOT FOR TERRY’S SKILL AT MANAGING THE PERSONALITIES & SITUATIONS HE HAD TO DEAL WITH, DURING HIS TIME AS MANAGER OF THE SOX, THEY DON’T WIN THOSE 2 CHAMPIONSHIPS. I DON’T BLAME TERRY, FOR NOT SHOWING UP OPENING DAY, ALTHOUGH HE PROBABLY WOULD GET THE LOUDEST, MOST HEARTFELT OVATION.
(NONE OF THIS WILL EVER BE RIGHT, UNTIL THEY PUBLICLY APOLOGIZE TO HIM).

I agree about how Francona was treated, but I’d rather have these owners than many others (Haywood and Buddy, anyone?)

“We get it. I understand that Francona’s angry, but it wouldn’t be the
worst thing in the world to lay low on the topic from now on. ”

Quoted for truth.  I’m inclined to sympathize with Francona.  But the more he whines, the more I want to defend the organization.

 I’ve always felt that Henry was on another planet, Werner hadn’t a clue and Lucchino was a snake. What surprised me in all this was, for a supposed “player’s manager,” few, if any, players came to Francona’s defense when he left. Not even his card playing buddy, Pedroia, jumped up and down in anger. This all spoke volumes to me. It showed a total lack of respect by the players. 

Classless organization. This is the reason this team is the laughing stock of baseball. We can now all see that it was Francona’s way of handling spring training that was the reason this team sucked. So they bring in Bobby V and he is going to put his foot down and turn them around, how does that look so far? They got what they deserve in Bobby V a know it all. They will be lucky to win 80 games. Why are people so surprised they trashed him on the way out? They have done that with everybody that has left the team over the years. Boggs, clemens, Pedro, Damon. People forget they tried to dump Mike Lowell and even pay his salary and then turned around and had a mike lowell day. Whatever benefits the Sox making money is all they care about. So i wonder how they will feel when the greatest manager in their history took them to shove it

The Red Sox ownership is a joke. Last year they went out and bought players to win a championship (aka Yankees). Look what happened at the end. They have a a group of individuals not a team working together.

Their treatment of Francona was totally despicable. Yes, it was time for a change. It could have happened with respect and class. Instead, it was like World Wide Wrestling Federation – a big joke. The Red Sox has a lot of work to do to bring back fan respect.

Well, Well, Well!  Is this celebration about the glorious and yes they were the best Francona Red Sox years?  Or is it about the Boston Red Sox, 100 Years of tradition and the FENS???????????????…….Give me a break Terry and just show up for the Boston Red Sox and their fans!………….

Remember that great movie with the quote, “there’s no crying in baseball”!    Well, I see real tears here by a guy who helped bring two championships, then just rested on his laurels and became a friend to his players instead of a boss.   Now he is hurt and is talking publicly about stuff that should remain in the background.  This is what I expect from a battle between Paris Hilton, Lindsey Lohan and Britney Spears.  Please stop, because now you are making the fans cry, and they are the ones who pay the bills, guys.

I dont blame him for staying away. They tossed him out, 6 months ago now they want him back??? Business people like Lucchino and Henry should now to treat people better.

Lucchino was “perturbed” at Francona for turning down the offer to go to Fenway’s 100 year birthday and said to Terry that he is “being unfair to them?” Give me a huge break – what an arrogant unfeeling boob thing to say to someone that got royally stabbed in the back on his way out the door and continued to get treated badly by them. Terry is very stunned and hurt and needs ime to get over this unless people do the right thing and apologize for the classless treatment of him and I’m not talking about him being let go but all the subsequent crap shoved his way after that when he tried to be classy about his ‘firing.’

We still dont know who talked to Hohler with the info and may never know but it is weird that more people didnt defend Terry after that crap came out but I suppose everyone had their own wounds they were dealing with.

I understand if he doesnt show, but if he does it should be for the fans, the players and himself and he can ignore ownership. But I doubt after all this that he will change his mind and show, unless some players call him and beg him to show.

Regarding the personal dirt Hohler wrote about Terry, why couldnt it have been some – I don’t know – trainer or clubhouse attendant looking to cash in and not ownersip/management as has been presumed in the media?

Wounds are way too fresh to even attempt this.  It will be at least a year before they can even attempt to talk and patch things up.  Sox ownership looks really bad here.

Could be an interesting story there about Liverpooll, LL and Linda

I know, right. I mean it’s not a character “assassination” if it’s truth, it’s disclosure. Underhanded disclosure and perhaps inappropriate, but still. 

We have certainly not heard the last of this. The way Terry phrased things in the Shaughnessy story leads me to believe he knows who the Hohler rat is and ownership refused to out the rat and fire him. That bit about his daughter having concerns is very personal — either she spoke to someone important in ownership or management, which seems unlikely, or Terry relayed her concerns to someone very close to him in the organization and got betrayed.

His two issues are the lack of investigation into the matter by ownership and Clueless Henry blowing off the man who managed this team two World Series Championships — not to mention ITS FIRST IN 86 YEARS! — for more than four months after dismissing him. If he’s still this angry with ownership, he must know who the rat is and that they continue to protect the rat.

But I would have preferred to see Terry show up for the ceremonies with his two Series rings and publicly snub them on the field, not in the press. Still, anything that exposes Lucchino for the petty, vindictive snake that he is, that’s fine by me.

Sox management has been throwing people leaving Boston under the bus for 10 years now. Up to this point they have dished enough dirt to smell like roses, but they are finding out that the people are not buying it with Tito and they look like the classless. 

Wait til Theo puts out a book some day telling stories of what really happened behind the scenes. That would probably be the only thing Theo could do for Sox fans that I’d support these days….

funny I said that same thing yesterday. They are not a likable orginization right now.

The only thing worse than the opinion of an idiot sports writer is the idiot fans chiming in. Do we know all the dynamics of a relationship between owner and employee? No we don’t. Francona was great here and i hated to see him go. But he was also very well compensated and any manager in the big leagues knows that these positions are temporary. He will be very well thought of in red sox history. Is not that enough for him to come back and honor the fans and the franchise? Remember, he was not the on top of the heap of unemployed managers when Epstien hired him. Many wondered what kind of manager he was going to be. He became very sucessful here, enjoyed the love of the city and became a very wealthy man. Because of Boston and the big spending the team did, he will get another job that will increase his wealth and family security. And we are going to cry for Terry? I’m not!

Interesting ownership; they turn the team into the BOBBY SOXES and then expect the guy they kicked down the road to smile and say how great it was. GET REAL!

This team has lost it’s soul….and it starts with ownership!

I think if Tito did agree to come it would do more to bolster his place in Sox history and make the current ownership look even more pathetic….and without a doubt his ovation would be resounding and the longest, and from the fan perspective, Tito may well be the ONLY manager who will win multiple WS titles for this team.

Terry Francona, the gentleman that he is, is still nursing wounds from the way the Boston media treated him, and the way someone inside the clubhouse told gossip on him to the media.  Terry always had the players’ (and management’s) backs, never took any problems public.  Then to have someone (according to the Globe) inside the clubhouse gossip about Terry’s personal problems really had to hurt.  His trust was badly broken.  I don’t blame him for not wanting to come back – it’s too soon.

Now, for all we know, the Globe reporter could have fabricated the whole thing; he never produced a source.  But that reporter – and his source – are why a great coach who gave this town 2 WS is keeping his distance. I don’t blame him.

I know Terry doesn’t plan on coming to the 100-Year Celebration of Fenway, but I’ll be honest, I would love to see him there. He IS loved by so many fans and with him (like it or not), the Red Sox won 2 World Series. Doesn’t that mean anything?  He’s not perfect, but he loved his players and was respectful of the people in charge at the Red Sox organization. I can only imagine what he had to deal with in regards to all of the personalities of the players on the team. I know he got paid to do his job, but I know it must have been hard. I don’t know Bobby V. and since he’s at the helm right now, I hope he helps turn this team around. I want him to be successful because I want the TEAM to be successful. Everyone wants respect, the players, Bobby V., management, staff and fans. So, DON’T disrespect Terry, he’s earned it! I wish he would show up, because he will ALWAYS be a part of the Red Sox.and you help show respect when you acknowledge him and what helped accomplish. Ownership needs to help make this a celebration, we sure didn’t have a problem when we were hoisting trophies with Terry. I don’t blame him for being hurt, I would be too. This didn’t have to happen. He would be the bigger man and would see and hear how much we love him. Miss you Tito and best of luck to Bobby. Go RED SOX!!!!   

Does Sox management have some sort of death wish?  The rich don’t like to think they are answerable to normal rules, but surely they realize they have treated this man – who won them the first two World Series in what – 86? – years – pretty badly.  If they can’t admit that – can they at least  realize that they are perceived to have treated him badly?  If they can’t find a way to fix that – don’t make it worse.

I am still thoroughly ashamed at ownership’s handling of Terry Francona.  They have completely disgraced themselves and do not deserve to be forgiven.  Doubt they get how bad this is.  Many people believe Larry was the mole. Such information could have only come from a high level source within the organization. John Henry’s behavior to this point has been pitiful.  NO CLASS!!

Theo brought the winning way to Chicago. RS/CUBS both 1-5.

I can’t wait to hear Lucchino give his side of the story…I’m sure he is re-writing the history of it as we speak. What a clueless fool. Someone in the organization kicks dirt over Terry’s body and he thinks he’s going to be happy to show up for another one of ownerships over blown, over done celebrations? I hope Terry told him to F off.

Terry ended up with a lot of problems worse than manangent problems. Estranged from wife living alone. Physical problems that required medication. A team that took advantage of a wounded manager.

For the record Tito doesnt believe that the ownership was the source of the mudslinging but was upset they didnt try and get to the bottom of who did it. Did they tried to find out who the snitch was behind the scene? Maybe, maybe not, I can understand Tito being upset with ownership but he was burnt out last year and is as much to blame for the collapse as anyone. That said hes still my favorite Sox manager of all time and I think he should come so the fans can all show their appreciation for all he did during his tenure here. I think that would go a long ways towards Tito getting over the mess of the way things ended here.

The point of the matter is…Ownership is not thinking in the past. They have reached that point from now on out if you don’t produce you are gone, except for the multi-million dollar contracts they have tied around their necks for the next 6 years. This ownership is the best around right now, who has won more championships then us in the last 10 years?  I am sure we will be seeing short leashes with this team heading forward if the results they are expecting are not accomplished. tito was a good manager, but who brought him here? As they say “The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away”

October is a long way off and as we seen last year…anything can happen in baseball. The Cardinals won the world series with their sick season record.

LOL….I completely agree with you but, well it’s funny (the remark NOT the situation).

I’ll never get over the shock of Red Sox ownership kicking Francona to the curb last season. Francona brought us what we had been praying for for 80+ years, TWICE!!  He had such as easy rapport with the players. Terry was the best for Boston. Good for him for standing his ground with Lucchino and Company, who obviously view $$$ as their top priority.  It really bothers me that we, the fans, can’t express our appreciation and thanks to Francona. MAYBE WE COULD BOYCOTT A FEW GAMES IN HONOR OF TERRY!!!  Just imagine the $$ that would be lost… the sell-out streak broken. THAT would get the Owners’ attention!!!

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