ok

Mini Me. what a joke…..Should be ashamed of themselves.

.
Welker’s agents are buffoons

.

LOL at how the Pats have been commenting on this … I just saw a video on datnewhiphop com about how Jennings was the better signing, but I think this Welker departure will really hurt the Pats and when the Broncos play the Pats… watch out

Shut up Little Johnny, let it go. He’s gone, move on with it now. Continuing to comment on it creates suspicion and disbelief. Shut it.

They never treated Welker as they should have. As for Bob Kraft’s “I don’t answer to Brady” comment: not the smartest thing to say. Best they keep they’re mouths shut.

Mini Me? Really? And you’re better qualified to answer the question and comment on the negotiations. Guys like you just crack me up. Know-it-all’s who live in a culture of “it’s all bad” mentality. Ashamed of what? Offering a better long term deal to the guy? Should they be defending his agents who mis-played their hand? That’s right …they screwed the pooch…and “Mini-Me” isn’t the first nor will he be the last to say so…do your due dilligence moron and you’d find out that it’s been widely reported Wes’s agents highly mis-calculated the market and settled for LESS once the Pats moved on…and FYI, the Pats didn’t move on until the agents closed the door….We wish Wes nothing but the best…I loved him as a Patriot but he’s a Bronco now. Who cares.

Kraft saying the offer of an incentive laden contract to Welker as evidence of a better offer than the Broncos made is a joke. Welker is a perfect example of an over acheiver. He goes all out on every play regardless of contract terms or amouints. To expect Wes to do more than he is phyically able to is unfair as was the base lowball offer of 5 Mil for 2 yr deal. Obviously Welker felt insulted and unappreciated and went elsewhere The Pats tried to cheap out and got burned.

Yeah…and the sun isn’t gonna shine anymore…Wes was the alpha and omega of the Pats….give me a ring. I’ll loan you a buck to buy a clue.

Not only did the Pats blunder away their best receiver, they automatically made the Broncos the odds on favorites to win the AFC next season.

Not the smartest thing to say? Please. Last I checked he is the owner of the New England Patriots. It’s Bob Krafts’ way of doing business that has turned this franchise into what it is today. Would you prefer he say nothing and the team be a joke? Do you tell your boss to keep their mouth shut if they handled a particular situation poorly that may have involved you? As the owner of the massive and successful corporation that he built, I believe he can say whatever the hell he wants to. As Pats fans, we are lucky to have him.

Wrong.

As long as the Broncos have Peyton Manning they wont win anything but the Regular season

Sad but true what have we done this off season to make our team Better CHEAP KRAFT CHEAP KRAFT PLEASE SELL THE TEAM

CHEAP KRAFT CHEAP KRAFT PLEASE SELL THE TEAM

0 Rings with Welker. 3 with non pro bowl receivers.

You’re an idiot savant…you know zero. Zip. Any astute reader has determined the truth. You and your ilk choose to live amongst the cave dwellers, darkness 24/7…open your eyes and learn a few things dick head

0 rings with wilfork, mayo, mankins, gronk, and hernandez. should we get rid of them too?

Krafty and bill a bong should have offered him 16 million for 2 years. That would have been the proper thing for Krafty to do. Him and his son look like whinny little rich kids who just lost their lunch money. Pathetic performance by the Patriots.

You miss the point…the argument isn’t about Wilfork etc, it’s about Wes Welker. You appear to be just another who’s glass is half full. It’s all bad. Wes is gone. Pats got 2-14 next year while the Broncos win the whole enchilada and Wes doesn’t drop the big pass…

WES DID NOT WANT 2 YR. 10M, WES THEN SAID I HAVE A BETTER DEAL 2YR. 12M PATS COULD NOT MATCH IT OR DO BETTER THAT IS WHY WES IS A BRONCO. END OF STORY. EVERYTHING ELSE IS BS.

You Pats bashers of the organization sound like idiots. Let the season pan out, it will take one year, maybe two in the long run to fully evaluate the Welker loss and the team restructuring. comments such as the Krafts should sell the team and the Broncos will be a shoe in for the afc title are just friggin’ dumb.

Too bad you misread me, I’m pissed he’s gone. I just hate the stupid arguments that people make to justify the fact that he’s gone and how it’s a good thing. I hope you’re not majoring in psychology bro

This is kind of dishonest. What the Kraft’s are saying is what they offered last summer, with the $9.5 from the franchise tag, was worth more than what he signed for now. Well, what does that have to do with the last 2 months???? They offered him a $10 million 2 year deal hours before the free agency deadline and then said they wouldn’t budge. They signed Danny Injury hours after free agency opened. If they had offered him the $10 million a week before the deadline and were willing to negotiate a bit, then it seems like the deal would have been done. BOTTOM LINE, their actions show they didn’t want him.

Chief, no boss talks to their most valued employee like that. Even if you think that… you don’t say it. What do you think this franchise is worth without Brady?

Nailed it. They are indeed including the last season franchise tag money which is irrelevant this free agency.

Boy if you’re serous, I’m sorry to inform you that you are a genetic carrier of the gene for mental retardation.

I suppose the overall point was simply he wanted more money so he listened to his agents and himself (i assume) and didnt take the 3 year deal (which I thought he should have personally anyway) takes the F-tag then figures ill go free agent and hit the jack pot – when it turns out hed still be with the patriots and making more money than he will now – had he simply signed the deal he thought was the original low ball – irony I suppose

exactly….that bs ring argument is ridiculous. How many players are on a team again? I’m willing to wait and see what the pats do despite messing up the Welker deal. Star players for any sport shouldn’t have their impressive resumes ignored(5 straight 100 reception seasons/theres a reason Brady threw to him so much) just because they didn’t win a championship. Should the HOF only be reserved for those who have been fortunate enough(there are a lot of variables that come into play when trying to win a championship that ONLY 1 TEAM WINS A YEAR) to win a ring. That 92 dream team had quite a few players that had long successful careers and never won, but I’d be willing to bet any team would have loved to have them with or without rings.

“Would you prefer he say nothing and the team be a joke?”…..say what? I think they would have managed just fine without that comment which dmm1047 is referring too. Not sure anything positive can come from saying that to the media and at the very least he could have worded it better. Does BB answer every question the media throws at him? Kraft may be a good owner, but I have the feeling his name wouldn’t come up that much if it wasn’t for the 3 superbowls that Brady played a big role in, as well as his MVP type seasons after 2004 where he played an even bigger role in determining the team’s success.

Wilfork has a ring you jackwagon

Interesting comments. Typically, the Krafts stay out of any of the PR comments following the departure of any players, where they are released, cut, or traded. Usually their thoughts go along the “He was a great player to have. We will miss him. We wish him well.” line. The fact that both Krafts are vociferous tells that something went awry here.

Even though everyone has tried to sort it out – and Bert Breer may have finally got the closest report of it – it is still too hard to tell what exactly happened. But for the Krafts to be speaking means that there is more to this story.

Sadly, they moved on….but 90 percent of the time these decisions work out in the Pats favor. So, I agree with the wait and see approach. And, for those giving the Krafts a hard time, just remember what it was like before they had the team. Playoffs were rarely a given; and the team did even stranger things with its players. They’ve taken a team that was often thought of as a doormat and made it into a model franchise whose gone to the playoffs most of the years they have owned the team.

looks like u missed the point too

Sorry for the mis-read…my humble apologies…but Vince does have a ring, FYI….and no, I didn’t major in psych…

Joe, is it too much to ask for some dollar figures. How about some investigative reporting instead of just parroting what Jonathan says?

“There were offers on the table last summer, that, if you look at what Wes made last year with his franchise tag and you look at what the Broncos are paying him for the next two years and you put all that money together, it doesn’t equal what we offered in a three-year deal,” Jonathan Kraft said.

The Patriot’s last offer to Welker was a 2 year deal worth 16 million if he met the incentives. Welker’s deal with Denver is in actuality a one year deal for 6 million as the second year is not guaranteed. The Pats offer was better in the summer and it was better than the Denver deal he signed.

Wrong story. We took less to go to Denver. NFL contracts are not guaranteed. How much is Welker going to actually earn in Denver?

Yeah because Egghead does great as the lead-dog.

Wow, you have serious reading comprehension issues. Kraft did not say anything about the contract from this year. He discussed the fact that Welker was offered a more lucrative contract last summer.

Why don’t the Krafts go count their money.

They are doing a disservice to Pats fans as well as to Wes to try to control spin of losing Wes Welker. You are shoveling dirt on yourselves(and organization) since nothing that you have said justifies your actions or lays blame on Welker or his representative. It was simply a business move with the Pats.

Hey, Jonathon, Shut the **** up. The Pats valued Amendola more than Welker. Time will tell if smart or dumb move.

Let it go, Jonathan. Do it to save your own reputation, if for no other reason.

want to bet the denver has a better record than the team I love for 20 years BIG month put your money where your mounth is smuck
Well waiting you must live home with mon in the basement

Do you remember what this team was like before Kraft owned it? Only a complete moron would be pleading for Kraft to sell the team. If you are too young to remember , please research some Patriot history before you expose your ignorance in a public forum again.

I was joking I was trying to push people button sorry

I was trying to push people button sorry Dude I so glad you pick on me for saying crap GOOD JOB

I’ve been in a tussle with people like this for days. They not only cannot read, they can’t add either. Truth is that Bob Kraft got the cap numbers on Welker wrong, perhaps because he thought they were signing bonuses (Which can be distributed over the life of the contract) as opposed to Roster Bonuses (Which impact the year they are paid). So Welker’s cap hit is $6M per year. However since it is a Roster Bonus, there is no dead money and there for no penalty if the Broncos cut Welker in 2014 before the March deadline. So in reality Welker only is guaranteed this year at $6M + $150K of incentives. Amendola has a more cap friendly contract, he only costs about $8.5M for the next two years, $15M over 3 years, and he is guaranteed $10M. So Kraft is right, Welker lost money. That said I don’t think anyone in the Patriots organization wanted to lose Welker. It was really very unfortunate.

Denver lost one of their best defenders and there is still movement in the draft and free agency. So I think you are suffering from premature exclamation.

I think Wes had an offer to go to TN..a losing team, for what 15 million I think I heard? I think his agent tried to get NE to bite at those $$ as a starting point, thinking he deserved higher based on his franchised tag $$ last year. Factor in being underpaid for all those years vs. his output, and NE’s offer was an insult. Had it been 16 million guaranteed for two years? Maybe. I think that was all that was on the table for Wes when Danny Boy entered the picture. TN or NE. With Danny Boy in negotiations, in the heat of the moment, I think Wes instructed his agent to reach out to Denver, so that if in fact they were going to let him walk, he would really stick it to the Pats by joining up with Manning. There was no counter to the Denver offer due to already coming to terms with Danny Boy. Wes was left with TN $$ and a franchise goin nowhere soon, and a chance to join next years potential Super Bowl winner in Denver. The Pats expected Wes to cave and join on their terms and $$ just to be able to play out his career with Tom in NE, gambled and lost big time IMO. Time will tell, but the road to the Super Bowl just got tougher for sure. Letting your best player walk and join an AFC rival? Not very smart BB and Kraft, not very smart. Let’s not forget the influence of Josh McDipShit in this fragile replacement wannabe to. Oh Danny Boy, what shoes you have to fill. A future first ballor HOF’er. BTW, Boston is not a friendly town to be, if you don’t.

People also need to consider that the Patriots were offering a contract last year that was something like 3 years at $8M per. If that number is correct, Welker lost a ton of money. People who want to attack the Krafts and BB are basing their argument on their beliefs not facts, and they can be really loud and often will not accept the idea that they just might be wrong.

Kraft and Brady have a fine relationship, I think they are both really disappointed and emotional. I doubt that this will come between them.

We are all disappointed, but let’s not forget that Amendola can play. I was a huge 49ners fan when they replaced Montana with Young. It was unbelievable how upset the fan base was. But in the end it was the right decision. I am not saying that is what happened here, but fans were all over Young for years and it was not until the latter part of his career that people came to appreciate what he brought to the team.

Please reread what was said.

“all I’ll tell you is, there were offers on the table last summer, that
if you look at what Wes made last year with his franchise tag and you
look at what the Broncos are paying him for the next two years and you
put all that money together it doesn’t equal what we offered in a
three-year deal.”

The three year deal Kraft is referring to was the 3 years at $24M. There are reports that the guaranteed money was in the neighborhood of $16M. If you take Welker’s Franchise tag money $9.5M, plus the full 2 year $12M contract from the Broncos, it only adds up to $21.5M. That is $3.5M less than he would have gotten from the Patriots had he signed last summer.

Tom Curran wrote a story that says that the agent for Welker David Dunn wanted $20M in guaranteed money and was convinced that the market for Welker was closer to $9-$10M per year. So each side was pretty far apart.

I think this was a very unfortunate thing for both Welker and the Patriots, and people are wrong to simply blame the team, there is more to it and there is blame on the other side as well.

Ok we all know that we love welker he was a true football player BUT next year will yell and scream at the games and forget all about him.. IF X play catches a pass that all that matters. This is Fun pushing people Button boy you have to love boston fans we love our sports…………

Arik_s, you are right. Most people think it is $12M guaranteed. It was not, his payments are roster bonuses. If the Broncos cut him before March 2014, he gets nothing and Broncos are not on the hook for anything. So in reality Welker ended up with a $6M guranteed contract. The Patriots were apparently guaranteeing him $10M over 2 years, plus incentives. If it is all about guaranteed dollars (Curran reports that the agents were looking for $20M), then $10M is more than $6M and Welker ended up leaving the team for less money. Quite sad.

Nobody pays for past performance, my company does not, can’t think of any good organization that does. The franchise money does not factor in to a salary discussion for a normal contract, it makes no difference unless the team chooses to franchise the player again, in which case they would have to give the player a “raise” of sorts to do so consecutively. BTW – Welker is not our best Player, Brady is. If you want proof, do you think only 2 other teams would make an offer on Brady is he was a free agent?

stop drunking the kool aid Kraft’s Ego got in the way, Wes dropped the ball in the SB IMO that’s why the Pats didn’t sign him. Now what is your Opinion not radio station garbadge why Wes is gone?

So you’re opinion is that because he dropped a ball in the Super Bowl they didn’t sign him? You do realize that he played for the Patriots last year and they paid him 9.75 million dollars right? And I’m pretty sure that was AFTER the Super Bowl.

So I’m not “drunking” the kool aid and I’m not spewing radio station “garbadge” either. Wow

Ok… I was just originally saying that they should of showed Welker a lil more love instead of I’m sure the hard nosed this is the offer end of story stance I”m sure he got…. NE plays by systems and every player besides basically Brady is changeable… Pats will stay make the playoffs

I saw his statement and he did not specify which offer he was talking about. Mosty people would assume he was talking about current negotiations and not ancient history which has nothing to do with the final result. Sure the offer was more then and no one knew where the market would settle. Welker wanted to find out and did.